Bill Hensel


Apr 21, 04 - 10:00 PM Real Gun Defense Stories

Back in the early 70s my instructor had his Green belt female student attacked by her husban publicly and he was

armed with a gun. She was big breasted. A very good looking lady I might add. She ran her own beauty salon. Her

husban showed up and she went outside to talk to him. He pulled a gun and placed it on her chest. She responded

with the opening movement of "Uncovering the Flame". He fired the weapon and it blow off a good portion of her

breast. She survived the attack.

I remember many years ago, I had a female student who was an ornage belt, tell me that gun techniques were

useless. Her husban was an expert combat weapons competitor. I said, "remind me to tell you a story about a lady

who made a gun technique work".

After her lesson with her instructor , she ran me down and I told her the story, she came away with a different

attitude.

It makes you wonder how many lives have truely been saved because they trained in kenpo, doesn't it.
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Jim Hanna





Apr 22nd, 2004 - 1:11 PM Re: Real Gun Defense Stories

We have a pretty good set of gun defense techniques. I'm also certified as a firearms instructor so when I teach

one of our techniques, I give alot of theory with the lesson. I also teach that our techniques are for pistol

threats...which is why they can work. Afterall, if an attacker wanted to kill you, he would just pull the

trigger without a word.

Salute,
Jim
Bill Hensel





Apr 22nd, 2004 - 10:35 PM Re: Re: Real Gun Defense Stories

Ofcourse your totally right about that. Have you ever heard of David Dakin, he was widely known for his combat

handgun knowledge. His book was "The Martial Art Of The Hand Gun" or somthing like that.
He was a student of mine in 1992 I have totaly lost track of him.

Regrads,
Bill
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Jim Hanna





Apr 23rd, 2004 - 12:57 PM Re: Re: Re: Real Gun Defense Stories

No, I have not heard of Mr. Dakin.

I brought this up awhile ago. Many of the discussions that we have concerning Kenpo have related discussions

with those interested in pistols, i.e. realistic training, which stance is the best, this school of thought is

superior to that school of thought, etc.

One final thought: it amuses me when people (especially blade practitioners) say that a good bladesman will beat

a person armed with a pistol. Maybe so, if the shooter doesn't know what he's doing.
At 21 feet a good shooter will put a bullet into the head of a charging bladesman. That's instant

incapacitation.

There are world class bladesmen, and then there are world class shootists.

Salute,
Jim
Ted Sumner





Apr 23rd, 2004 - 6:09 PM Re: Re: Re: Re: Real Gun Defense Stories

I think the argument over which is more effective, a good blade man or a good shooter is a profligate use of

time. I love blades, they can be elegant and deadly. In the hands of a skilled practitioner the blade can sing a

symphonic dance of death. But I have been shot and I have been stabbed and though I did not enjoy, nor do I

recommend either experience, I know unequivocally that I never want to be downrange of a 357 magnum again. The

power, even in the hands of an unskilled shooter, is astonishing.

Ted
zach atkins





May 4th, 2004 - 1:07 AM Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Real Gun Defense Stories

agreed...guns are far more effective than a knife...far more (any idiot can pull a trigger). On to self

defense...my philosophy...anytime when dealing with a weapon in a self defense technique (i.e. a gun or knife)

one should expect to get cut or shot; however you(the kenpo practitioner) are in control where you are wounded.

Example in the side step in some/most Tracy's gun techniques..notice the first thing done is to clear the center

line. Why? That's where the heart is. I would much rather take a bullet in the side chest or in a limb than in

the heart. Secondly when you are expecting to get shot or cut/stabbed in a self-defense situation you will react

more quickly and effectively. There will be no "oh my god he shot me" delay. That's my two cents. Keep it real

guys...
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Ted Sumner





May 4th, 2004 - 9:27 PM Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Real Gun Defense Stories

Excellent point. And not just the heart. You must protect the entire center line. If the bullet passes through

your stomach and smashes into your spine, you are, for all practical purposes, finished.

When working gun, and more particularly knife defenses, I emphasize to my students that they will not

necessarily die just because they have been shot or stabbed. I am walking proof. I stress that they must keep

fighting, particularly if they are bleeding, in which case time becomes of the essence.

Ted
zach atkins tracy's kenpo lexington ky





May 5th, 2004 - 2:44 AM Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Real Gun Defense Stories

agreed....you'd be suprised about bullet and knife wounds..I work in an operating room and have seen many people

survive severe gun and stab trauma. If one is expecting to be wounded when executing a gun or knife technique,

the shock of A) the attack and B)the sight of massive blood flow won't be as massive compared to a practitioner

who things he is the kung-fu guru and cannot be shot or stabbed. Not to say that there aren't those martial

artists 'who have the skill to execute a weapon technique without being wounded, but the expectation of being

wounded definitly enables a better execution...that's my 2 cents.
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